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in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >> not only was this unbelievably devicive in a country that likes to think of itself as one country, but it was critically important that it was caught on surruptious video. if this is something he had said in public, it would have been a big gaffe, but not as big as seeing it on that video where the voter is thinking ah-ha, now i'm seeing the real mitt romney, not one in the imagining. >> and not just that, the setting, that he was speaking to wealthy donors who he could be candid with. it was like the true mitt romney talking to his people in this setting. just so illustrative of
in some ways it defined what the election is all about. let's watch. there. >> are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. all right there are 47% with him who believe that they're victims, who belief the government has the responsibility to care for them. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never -- they should take first responsibility and care for their lives. >> agreed, john, agreed, ken, that this was the line that put him away? >>...
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so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down. >> let's start with the first part. if it's a legitimate rape? what did that mean? >> what it meant was absolutely unjustifiable. and it was the reason, the potential for todd aiken to go off the reservation and prepare to hit him on. it shows why democrats wanted him to be the nominee to the point where they advertise democratic super pacts in his primary for the republican nomination to run against claire mccaskell to say todd aken is too conservative. he is opposed to abortion. hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. >> you know, canadian
so what that etch-a-sketch comment did, it almost cost them the election right there. it prevented them from scampering back to the ish shoe. it didn't allow romney the running room he needed. >> i also say i don't believe a word that i spoke since running for president. here's one for you, ken. if one crystallized the overwhelm trouble, it was this. take a look at number 6. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the...
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they had about six two weeks for the election. people are going to look for skeptically coming up. >> biggest winner. again, i'm going to go first because once again, i couldn't be more obvious. i just think the guy who wins the presidential election is really, you know, by every measure the biggest winner. and he did it with this crushing unemployment rate on his administration which he did everything he could possibly do to fix. but he didn't have it politically fixed by the time he went into re-election. he got re-elected with an unemployment number that everybody thought was impossible. so that credit goes to president obama. biggest winner of 2012 for me. karen finny. >> i'm going with the home team and say msnbc because we kicked that other network. >> don't even try to get the ipad. she gets the ipad. >> you previewed mine. i was going to say nate silver. because i think math was a huge winner this year. he looked at the numbers and polls properly. he understood the relative weight of gallup and better polls. the people who
they had about six two weeks for the election. people are going to look for skeptically coming up. >> biggest winner. again, i'm going to go first because once again, i couldn't be more obvious. i just think the guy who wins the presidential election is really, you know, by every measure the biggest winner. and he did it with this crushing unemployment rate on his administration which he did everything he could possibly do to fix. but he didn't have it politically fixed by the time he...
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>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims.
>> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's...
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and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with voter suppression tactics that is well documented. >> yes. >> but if this law were to pass, the line act that senator boxer has put in place, would this really clear up the problems you saw in 2012? >> i think somewhat, ed, and i commend senator barbara boxer for standing up for all voters in this country. but ultimately, voters hold the key. and voters have got to continue to vote for policymakers and executives who respect the power of the vote, and not those who try to suppress it. so even though the feds need to do their job, senator boxer, i give a big sho
and that elections assistance commission would go a long way. would be a clearing house for some of the best practices in this nation to continue to drive the polls, that voting should be for everybody, not a select few. and we really need to make sure that the federal government uses the tools that have in their tool box and not idly sit by and let things happen in the state and across the country. >> in your state of ohio, republicans unfairly targeted minority and low income areas with...
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then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge trouble. i think boehner's pretty safe because there's not a challenger. >> sam, if boehner's safe in his job, it doesn't mean to say he's at all relevant here. he's just not a factor at this point, is that right? >> i think it's right but it's because boehner expressed he couldn't get his plan throw the court. i can only imagine how angry mcconnell and his staff are because they put him in a bind. all the while mitch mcconnell's got an eye on 2014 when he's up for re-election but the house speaker has shown he's largely ineffectual when it comes to this stuff. but i see what he's s
then he's going to have to go back to his caucus and say re-elect me as speaker. how does he do that? >> i think it's two separate questions, richard. on the first point he's going to have a difficult time to corral votes. if the president bring his 250 plan to the house floor, you're not going to see many republicans go after it. but at the same time i think boehner is pretty safe when it comes to his speakership. if gentlemen were making noise against the speaker, there would be huge...
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you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information. we heard there was progress overnight and we understand vice president biden and republican leader mitch mcconnell exchanged phone calls until about midnight and their aides then continued to work and we've been reporting the various areas of progress including the fact that there seems to be agreement on a new income threshold of $450,000 a year. we know yesterday that the republicans backed off on social security but sequestration is the sticking point. of course democrats say they are arguing that the new revenue generated by tax increases, especially if reduced from
you're re-elected. congratulations. you have a job. now work and do it. >> fiscally irresponsible decision trying to please everyone and you please no one at all. >> they've got to work together. >> they appear to be very self-centered. >> joining me now retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sestak of pennsylvania and msnbc contributor and former bush/cheney senior adviser robert trainum. kelly o'donnell has just reported some of the latest information....
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on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald trump on embarrassing yourself. there are a couple of people who tried. they trooid really hard to outdo donald trump. let's take a look at, for example, todd akin. >> yeah. >> first of all, from what i understand from doctors, that's really rare. if it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. >> just when you thought he had that whole jurisdiction wrapped up, there came richard murdoch who we should also take a look at. >> i think even when life begins in that horrible situation in rape, that it is something that god intend
on politics on election night he had no idea what was going on. on policy this was if year we really saw the public turn against his enduring legacy to go against people who happen to be gay. the public and the republican party are turning against that. that's going to be hig his legacy sadly for a long time. >> for 20 years on the show the donald trump award has gone to donald trump. once again, i feel i will be giving it to donald trump because i do find it impossible to updo donald...
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this is part of the story of the 2012 election and maybe the never several elections. sam wang had an accurate forecasting model. he sent us a cartoon rather than a chart. he weighed in on the attacks being launched as people like us who are using data to talk about the election. it says quote, breaking, to surprise a sun dit the best system for determining which of two things is wiser. we posted these charts and a bunch of others. i'll tweet a link to them. that does it for tonight. and now it is time for the last word. have a good night. >> the house of representatives. has known for over a year that it has a monday night deadline for avoiding the fiscal cliff. so when are they going to start working on that? sunday night. >> stalemate gridlock joorks this is what the holidays look like. >> there is so much manure around here. >> this isn't school house rock. >> the fiscal cliff. whatever. >> there is barely 00 hours. >> the last minute was before christmas. >> what is going on here? is. >> how come there is no sense of urgency. >> the entire house coming back sunday
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because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47% were the winners of this election. because they told mitt romney and the republican party to stuff it. they got off their lazy, unprincipled, immoral behinds and got out there and voted for president obama. >> krystal? >> i got to go with the obvious one, president obama. not just because he won and won convincingly, his policies have been vindicated, health care has been upheld, his approval rating is rising. he's likely to now oversee a recovery. i mean, he really truly was the big winner this year. >> i would go with jonathan with the 47% or even more. the 99%. because i thi
because she sailed through the election with sky high ratings. and because now she can actually do some of the bigger stuff about obesity, the biggest public health challenge in this country, frankly the western world. she can now do what she wants. >> i'm going with claire mccaskill. not just because she won her race -- thank you todd akin -- but because she showed the face of what. i think claire mccaskill really came out winning. >> jonathan? >> i would say that the 47%...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public blames the republicans when this happens when over on the house side, you have so many republicans who are so far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term? >> well, richard, one of the things that you didn
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> the president seemed to be much more comfortable in the white house briefing room today using the bully pulpit saying enough is enough. >> he did. i thought that he sounded like a man who knows he holds, if not all of the cards, but a lot of them. he has the advantage here, and the polls indicate as with bill clinton in the showdown with newt gingrich and the shutdown of the '90s the public...
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and i think the 2012 election shows i. we have this remnant, these tea party people who held onto 2012. by the i want, the democrats made gains for the house and i'm talking about the extremists who used to have a more reasonable approachment and it was because of the congressional merriment. we have bad luck. the best republican year happened to be 2010, which was the year that the governors and the legislatures elected did congressional redistricting. they said the democrats would is picked up more seats, maybe six more. we wouldn't have controlled the house, but it would have been a significant increase. i think the american public has made it clear that they do not agree with the republican right wing. they don't want social security and medicare to be taken about. they're not hung up on other people's private lives and emotional lives and they're supporting the people with the same sex right to marry. now on gun control, they're on the wrong side. so i am optimistic that we are going to see the elections of 2012. i th
and i think the 2012 election shows i. we have this remnant, these tea party people who held onto 2012. by the i want, the democrats made gains for the house and i'm talking about the extremists who used to have a more reasonable approachment and it was because of the congressional merriment. we have bad luck. the best republican year happened to be 2010, which was the year that the governors and the legislatures elected did congressional redistricting. they said the democrats would is picked...
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could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law. that is a significant, important thing that will have lasting impacts on politics and policy for years to come. >> thank you, edward, for your time today. >>> today's tweet of the day, people, you don't need to go shopping today. relax. make the most of a day at home. i love 'em even more. i earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. 2% on groceries. 3% on gas. automatically. no hoops to jump through. that's 1% back on... [ toy robot sounds ] 2% on pumpkin pie. and apple. 3% back on 4 trips to the airport. it's as easy as... -[ man ] 1... -[ woman ] 2... [ woman ] 3. [ male announcer ] the bankamericard cash rewards card. apply online or at a bank of america near you. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our option
could have changed the presidential election, significant way. and especially, when you look at the way that john roberts was the deciding vote, the swing vote to uphold the health care law. that is a significant, important thing that will have lasting impacts on politics and policy for years to come. >> thank you, edward, for your time today. >>> today's tweet of the day, people, you don't need to go shopping today. relax. make the most of a day at home. i love 'em even more. i...
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which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how absurd this is. we've been seeing poll after poll after poll showing the american people, if the country goes over the cliff, would is to blame? the republicans get the majority of the blame. speaker boehner and his plan b could not even get the republicans in his caucus to pass a tax increase on people making $1 million when we already know through november election and through subsequent public opinion polls, the american people are perfectly fine with raising taxes on people earning incomes of $250,000 and above. so the idea that the republican party can't -- i mean, i should say s
which if that were to happen, what would the country think of our elected officials? but i want to ask that in a broad sense. you've followed politics for a long time. when you look at this from the outside and you're an average american, basically the media is saying, congress, if they don't do anything now, might as well pass something on january 3rd but in actuality they could pass today. do you think people are understanding how absurd it is? >> no. the american people understand how...
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you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >> before we go, do you think there is a chance that scott brown won't run? >> he is waiting in the wings if scott brown doesn't run? >> he ran for governor of new york and more power to him if he he can pull it off but national republicans and the money thinks he has the best shot. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. coming up, our final update or the year. on the kind fund. i'll read some of the comments that you have left about it. in the rewrite tonight i can understand why the guys in the vatican are so wrong about marriage. so if it fair that we expect them to understand the first think about
you don't get elected and say elected without being someone who is smart, gifted and savvy. and put them against scott brown there and it will be an ain'ting race. that is saying who knows who else could jump into the race. >> i think the key to the point is you is to go with scott brown's middle name and that is mitch mcconnell. and the idea that you are going to cut social service during this recession, at the end of the day i don't think you can vote for him as a leader. >>...
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when the election ended. the demand for $250,000, as of december, now we're going to end up almost double that. all the leverage he had with the election victory, and ended up doubling, i think was discouraging. what really bothered them was there was no debt ceiling, there is no debt ceiling fix in this agreement. and again, that is something that right after the election and well into december obama said he was going to insist on a permanent end to the debt ceiling. that was going to be part of this deal. he insisted on it. he backed off and indicated through the negotiations that he would be okay with a two-year patch. and now it is not even in there at all. it is very clear we'll have a showdown similar to this in about a month when we hit the debt expiration, except in a month, republicans will -- excuse me, democrats and obama will not have the kind of leverage that the automatic expiration that the bush tax cuts gave them. it is a discouragement that they can be em boldened, how they can move president
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so do republicans want immigration reform before the next election? do they want to dig out of the hole they're in with hispanic voters? so there is some mutual interest. i think that gun fight is going to be very difficult but i think that's something that we're going to see, if it doesn't happen this year it may happen the next year or the year after. it is just something that i think the president will want to leave office having achieved. so nothing is going to be easy. we'll have very many brinks, you know, and a lot of fighting over principles which is not a bad thing but i think ultimately a lot of these issues will be addressed. >> david, sequestration was pushed off for two months meaning we'll have to have this fight all over again in a few short weeks. if that's the case how long will president obama realistically have to deal with gun control and immigration not to mention his plans for infrastructure and even green energy? >> that's the problem. if you remember, right after the election, after latinos came out and overwhelming numbers to
so do republicans want immigration reform before the next election? do they want to dig out of the hole they're in with hispanic voters? so there is some mutual interest. i think that gun fight is going to be very difficult but i think that's something that we're going to see, if it doesn't happen this year it may happen the next year or the year after. it is just something that i think the president will want to leave office having achieved. so nothing is going to be easy. we'll have very many...
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he'll be re-elected to speaker. but what ryan got to was this really interesting sort of tug and pull on -- within the republican conference right now. there is this effort to be as conservative as possible on every single possible vote. and even the guys who are going to vote for the compromise package and try to get a deal done when the vote comes up today, if they have opportunities to vote on amendments that make things more conservative, they're going to take that opportunity, which means that this thing, there is a real risk of this bill being kicked back into the senate and us having to go through this whole thing once again. so that is sort of tug and pull between the conservative faction here not only in the house of representatives but also in sort of the interest group community that spends so much money and pays so much attention to republican primaries is pulling a lot of members, even those who would work toward the compromise a little toward the right especially in this amendment process. >> right. an
he'll be re-elected to speaker. but what ryan got to was this really interesting sort of tug and pull on -- within the republican conference right now. there is this effort to be as conservative as possible on every single possible vote. and even the guys who are going to vote for the compromise package and try to get a deal done when the vote comes up today, if they have opportunities to vote on amendments that make things more conservative, they're going to take that opportunity, which means...
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it was very clear after the election -- remember, the day after the election, john boehner appeared in the capitol and said i'm willing to deal with the president, i want to compromise. we will agree to raise revenues. but he didn't agree to raise tax rates, that is a nonstarter among republicans in the house of representatives. he was fryitrying to get out ah of this political tsunami coming his way. he knew because the president was talking about it during the entire campaign season that the president was going to stick to his commitment to raise rates on those making more than $250,000. the president, much to the dismay of many on the left, has given considerably on that point the numbers 450,000 in annual income respectively. but still that is not something house republicans will vote for, no matter what the income level is. and we saw that when the speaker's plan b set at $1 million crashed and burned. what they will do, they will tell members this is the best deal we'll get now, and essentially this is a jam job. the president has come out, we had the campaign style event, he eve
it was very clear after the election -- remember, the day after the election, john boehner appeared in the capitol and said i'm willing to deal with the president, i want to compromise. we will agree to raise revenues. but he didn't agree to raise tax rates, that is a nonstarter among republicans in the house of representatives. he was fryitrying to get out ah of this political tsunami coming his way. he knew because the president was talking about it during the entire campaign season that the...
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i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised. he's gone from 250 to 400. he's changed some other things. he put the social security benefit reductions on the table. the so-called chain cpi and they knew all along -- i don't know if this was third intention or overt thinking but they're very smart people and no wriggle room, no flexibility for john boehner and pressing him, the party was going to explode ear and parentally that's what's happening in the house of representatives. >> peter, my friend chris krueger had a fun if not me l melancholy quote saying we expect obama will reveal a n
i wrote about this two days after the election. what the president has done is take a battlefield victory and pursued the enemy in the woods and routed them. the advisers know that john boehner could not, cannot, would not pass a bill in the house of representatives to raise tax rates. john boehner came out the day after the election and tried to preempt that. he knew it was coming and trying to raise revenues closing loopholes. we won't raise tax rates, however. the president has compromised....
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. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him. why not fight against him because that's good for them? >> well, i tell you what. guys like john boehner see that and they see a trend where their base shrinks and gets smaller and smaller and smaller. eventually they will be the minority party. they don't want that to happen. they can look at the polls and where it says most of the country favors raising taxes on the rich and the positions that obama was pushing during the campaign, otherwise he wouldn't have won. they know it's a problem and don't want to be relegated to the party of white guys in the south. >> th
. >> michael, i see on november 6th, 234 republicans were elected. only 15 of them from congressional districts obama won. in 2014, 14 senators will be -- will go up for re-election. 13 of them will stay and -- 12 of them in states obama did not win and like we have 2 different parallel sort of universes trying to talk to each other and republicans don't really need and are not incented to work with obama because they're coming from constituency that is don't like him, won't vote for him....
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they knew they were in a box after the election. they got defeated convince leg in the election, chris, and that is why you saw john boehner come out the day after the election and try to jump out in front of this tidal wave that was coming his way on the fiscal cliff. he said, yes, he conceded. we'll raise revenues. we'll raise $800 billion over ten years in revenue, but we won't do it by raising tax rates. we'll do it by closing loopholes, taking away some deducks that are very popular incidentally. >> obviously the president has given ground. much on his left who thinks he just does not play hardball enough with these republicans. i think that they think once this is over, once the election sort of hangover is worn off in two months we could have a different climate and a different ground to fight on. >> thank you. >> okay. >> while the deal on the fiscal cliff got brought by partisan support, there are a lot of people on the left and the right unhappy. >> are you one of the folks that thinks the president hasn't played hardball
they knew they were in a box after the election. they got defeated convince leg in the election, chris, and that is why you saw john boehner come out the day after the election and try to jump out in front of this tidal wave that was coming his way on the fiscal cliff. he said, yes, he conceded. we'll raise revenues. we'll raise $800 billion over ten years in revenue, but we won't do it by raising tax rates. we'll do it by closing loopholes, taking away some deducks that are very popular...
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>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she brings to the economic debate because i think that's still going to be a debate in the next election. jobs. how to grow, how to get the country back on track. it will be really interesting to see where it comes off. >> i have you as a feminist, everybody is a feminist right now. it's a good position to be in politically. do you think she will have an unusually high draw among women voters? and that's maybe a dumb question, but could she get up to 65% or 70% of the women voters as opposed to 55%. >> that would be a high number. if anybody can do it, she can. i see her having tremendous strength there, and that's a demog
>> i would. >> and safer politically for an election in a general election given the fact people normally want to switch parties every eight years. you don't want to run as a xerox of obama. your thoughts. >> i do think she's to the right on foreign policy. i think what's going to be really interesting is seeing where she is economically. she's been very savvy about using economic statecraft to advance foreign policy goals for the u.s. it will be interesting to see what she...
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anybody worried about losing in a november election in the mid terms? they're actually more likely to support this bill. but there aren't many of those guys and gals left. >> all right. chuck todd, stay with us if you can. let's go to nbc's john harwood who has been covering the story for a very long time for us. bring your view, john, if you will, of this deal as we understand it. >> milissa, i think the deal is going to pass the senate. i think speaker boehner will allow to it come to a vote in the house. i think it will pass the house and go to the president for his signature. i just spoke to one participant in the negotiations who said we hate this was a democrat saying we hate this. but i still i think it's better than nothing. and that suggests you hit the sweet spot. if you have the president's party hating it, conservatives in the republican party hating it, but thinking it's better than the alternative, that's how you bridge a gap between two parties that are very far apart. democrats ultimately gave in on the issue of the estate tax, which was
anybody worried about losing in a november election in the mid terms? they're actually more likely to support this bill. but there aren't many of those guys and gals left. >> all right. chuck todd, stay with us if you can. let's go to nbc's john harwood who has been covering the story for a very long time for us. bring your view, john, if you will, of this deal as we understand it. >> milissa, i think the deal is going to pass the senate. i think speaker boehner will allow to it...
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do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house democrats have spent the past two years on the sidelines of major policy decisions. if a fiscal cliff vote happened before january 1st, you could have a major influence on the nation's economic future. democratic congressman john yarmouth served and a lonely planet and ranked the number one city in america. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank, luke. come any time. >> i will ask you, are you surprised that you are in washington, d.c. today or you are not in washington, d.c. today and do you have plans on traveling back? >> i'm very surprise and no, i'm not going to come back unless there is a reason to. we have a big bask
do you think there is any worry that he may not be elected speaker on the first ballot come that election at the beginning of the year? >> there is no worry. he had the complete support of everybody for plan b and has the support for speakership for most of the members that were opposed. this was a debate and discussion and not over his leadership. honestly not for two years, but for four. >> four more years for john boehner. we appreciate it. >> thanks. >> house...
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democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the battle over how to avoid going over the fiscal cliff ramped up today as both sides were long on rhetoric and threats but short on actual movement. >> i think both sides deserve some blame here. >> chris, i'm not certain there's not politics on both sides. >> again, i thinks there's intransigence on both sides. >> with all respect it seems like both sides seem to be we're waiting for them, we're waiting for, this we're waiting for, that but the fact is nothing ever gets done. >> blaming both sides instead of pointing fingers when
democrats won the election. but what's weird is at the elite level and the elite level matters in politics. the elite level gets through to politicians in between elections. at the elite level you've got folks in the media, powerful ceos, people who run interest folks, and a lot of these folks, they want to keep up relations on both sides of the aisle, and so they find it safer to blame both sides for not coming together than to blame one side for not allowing any coming together. >> the...
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hoyer mentioned, it's only been a matter of a couple of months since the election, eight weeks. in that period of time we've been pushed to even into a new year. it's long overdue for us to have this solution go forward and remove all doubt as to how we go -- what comes next for our country. so we expect, the american people deserve an up or down vote on what was pass in ted in senate. >> if there is an up or down vote, how many democratic votes will you be able to deliver? >> that's not a subject that i'm going to talk about now. >> members are considering the legislation. they just heard from the vice president. and we will find out which members -- >> you're saying you want bipartisanship from the other side, don't you have to say that you're willing to support had piece of legislation? >> i don't think there's any doubt that we'll have bipartisanship. she asked me for the number. i don't have a number. i can tell you we will have a bipartisan vote. >> thank you very much. >> when will you start whipping? >> we just finished hearing about house democrats about the physical cl
hoyer mentioned, it's only been a matter of a couple of months since the election, eight weeks. in that period of time we've been pushed to even into a new year. it's long overdue for us to have this solution go forward and remove all doubt as to how we go -- what comes next for our country. so we expect, the american people deserve an up or down vote on what was pass in ted in senate. >> if there is an up or down vote, how many democratic votes will you be able to deliver? >>...
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he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good sense, richard, of how many republicans or maybe democrats for that matter, aren't so worried about going over the fiscal cliff at this point? >> i don't actually buy this argument that people are happy going over the fiscal cliff. they can see how damaging it is politically. they also are looking forward to the next fight about the debt ceiling, which is going to be even more damaging. so they always say it's the other guy who wants to go over the fiscal cliff. i don't hear people going out and saying i think it's a good idea that everyone pays more taxes or there are these deep spending cuts. they'r
he's going to get re-elected house speaker and not have the authority to do the job he's been given. john boehner is in an impossible situation. i guess no one else wants the job. but that suggests that house republicans, as a force, even though they're the majority, are not a factor in these critical discussions facing the count try and the federal government at this time. again, that's a bad strategy, a bad place for them to be in, when they just won re-election. >> do you have a good...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. it needs to stop. >> only if. kristen welker at the white house. good morning to you. a lot happening in d.c. a lot happening on capitol hill i assume, a lot happening at the white house as well. >> it sure is, good morning, it j. all eyes on the senate right now. minority leader mitch mcconnell and majority leader harry reid try to cobble together a last minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. this on the heels of the meeting that happened at the white house. and top congressional leaders met for about an hour. source who's have knowledge say the president laid out two options for lawmakers, one, either come up with a plan that can pass through both chambers to avoid that deadline or allow his pro poisal to go up for a vote in both chambers. under his plan, bush-era tax cuts would be extended for those making $240,000 or less and rates for top income earners. something that a lot of republicans do like and it would call for extending unemployment insurance benefits and a number of oth
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. it needs to stop. >> only if. kristen welker at the white house. good morning to you. a lot happening in d.c. a lot happening on capitol hill i assume, a lot happening at the white house as well. >> it sure is, good morning, it j. all eyes on the senate right now. minority leader mitch mcconnell and majority leader harry reid try to cobble together a last minute deal to avoid the fiscal cliff....
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if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and after that guy that came out and shot two capitol police officers. bring them into the capitol and say look those kids in the eyes and say tell them you're want going to do it. the best way to get something through congress is to guilt members of congress. it only works that way. the senate will do something. >> but like the president -- go ahead. >> i was going to say, i think it's important and smart, though, to note that the president is not just out there saying we need to do gun kreel. quite to the opposite. he
if he got re-elected. second dirty secret is you can't get any of this through the house. if you think you can, then you're smoking something terrible that's probably illegal. and here's the problem. if you want -- if you really -- if the president really and truly wants to get gun control or gun safety as i like to call it through both chambers, bring the parents, bring the living children from sandy hook elementary to the capitol. the safest building in the country, by the way, after 9/11 and...
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we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're going to have to give. that message has not resonated too much with house republicans specifically here in washington, d.c. they're negotiating very hard until the end because that has been their tactic in every single one of these fights with president obama. from talking to republicans, they don't think that president obama is a good negotiator. one of them told me earlier he couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. that's why biden is here on capitol hill. so with that mindset, they're moving forward in these talks and they're more than happy to h
we had an election a few months ago, as you well know, chris. you covered it so much on top of the ball, and a lot of folks thought, okay, that election was going to answer a lot of questions. the president won, he won by 4 million votes. that is sort of the idea where the country is moving. when we do stories, we do those men on the street, and everyone sort of post-election has had this idea of it's time for shared sacrifice. we understand there's going to be some tough decisions made. we're...
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mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck hagel and the potential of him being put up to the cabinet level position of secretary of defense. and getting criticism from the left and the right, chuck schumer declining to endorse him yesterday on meet the press. i want to play for everybody what andrea mitchell also said on "meet the press." >> this white house cannot continue to float trial balloons and then not have them shot down. the president can't perceived to being rolled by opponents. the problem of chuck hagel with support in the foreign policy community is shot at from the left and the right. >> i want to put it to you, both.
mitch mcconnell, up for re-election. will he craft a deal with harry reid? that's dicey. whatever bill is passed, may not be that popular. raising tax rates and probably cut back on benefits so, remains to be seen if they can get 60 in the senate and 218 in the house. but boehner may have to put that senate pass bill of the 250,000 obama plan, he says that doesn't have the votes topaz the house. he may have to prove that. >> real quickly i want to shift gears here and talk about chuck...
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you elected to the senate in 2010. you haven't been there all that long. certainly compared to everyone else there. are you surprised, amazed? what is your read-out that we are where we are on this? i'm looking at the clock. 10:47:50. the fact that we have a countdown clock for something that has been months in the making, what does it say about the senate and the house and congress's ability to tackle big issues, and if the american people are skeptical about that very thing, do they have a right to be? >> yes. absolutely. the folks who i hear from, delawareans who are calling me, e-mailing me, sending me responses to a position paper, a white paper that i put out on the fiscal cliff weeks ago, uniformly say why can't you all get along? why can't you reach a reasonable compromise? delaware's political culture is one where we pass balanced budgeted on time every year at the city, county, and state level. unlike many other states where they have months and months of wrangling passed their constitutional deadlines. ours is a representative system. the house
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up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept the way they are. compare that to a year ago when only 43% wanted to see stricter laws. it's worth remembering, however, that support for tougher laws often spikes and then fades after mass shootings. of course, the nra always stands in the way of any new or reviewed restrictions, but, of course, we all know that. and we'll be right back. that support for tougher laws that support for tougher laws [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine yo
up next, the election is over. now it's time for president obama to get things done and he has less time than you might think. strategizing a second term. let's talk the future. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> there's been a lot of talk about gun laws since the shootings in newtown, connecticut, one result seems to be increased support four tougher gun laws. 58% of americans polled say they want to see stricter gun laws as opposed to 34% who wants things kept...
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they've had a brain freeze since the election. they have no strategy. you don't know what they want and they haven't decided what they want. >> with us now from washington at 35 past the hour, the chief white house correspondent for "politi "politico," mike allen who's here with "the politico playbook," also, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. we'll start with mike. mike, you have some reason for optimism with some new headlines from the republicans this morning. what is it? >> well, happy new year's eve, mika, and we do. the story line for today will be will vice president biden swoop on to fantasy island and turn it into reality island? and there was some sign that that's going to happen. republicans are embracing the new involvement of vice president biden as an excuse to do things they haven't been willing to do before. so, the way "politico" is describing it is vice president biden is playing good cop to harry reid's bad cop. i'm told by republican aides that leader mcconnell and vice president biden talked by phone until midnight. their aides
they've had a brain freeze since the election. they have no strategy. you don't know what they want and they haven't decided what they want. >> with us now from washington at 35 past the hour, the chief white house correspondent for "politi "politico," mike allen who's here with "the politico playbook," also, cnbc washington reporter eamon javers. we'll start with mike. mike, you have some reason for optimism with some new headlines from the republicans this...
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>> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters and they have to work together to come up with a compromise. when i think the platform that paul has it's an amazing platform in "the new york times" where he could be doing is laying out all sorts of proposals for how to fix the short-term problems of jobs and the economy which he focuses on and the long-term problems of the debt and he takes shot at people like me because i'm a political independent. instead of saying -- let me just finish. instead of pointing fingers and instead of pointing fingers, i really think we need to have republicans and democrats work together and compromise on this. we all agree with that, maya mcginnis. i think it is worth noting that the gop has 115 times, 115 times the republican minority has held up a bill's passage or they've threatened to filibuster. 115 times, that is unprecedented, is it not? >> so you're talking about filibusters. you're talking about the way that washington is actually not able to get anyt
>> listen, anybody who is a member of congress was elected and sent there. that means that they reflect the voters and they have to work together to come up with a compromise. when i think the platform that paul has it's an amazing platform in "the new york times" where he could be doing is laying out all sorts of proposals for how to fix the short-term problems of jobs and the economy which he focuses on and the long-term problems of the debt and he takes shot at people like me...
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the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent. and yes, numbers geeks, not a real number. but he seems really tired of working with these people. but there is a way in which congress, and particularly congressional republicans may actually be helping president obama out right now. everybody's always known two things about the cliff. you're almost certainly going to get more taxes in a deal after you go over than in a deal before you go over it. that's because after you go over the cliff, taxes already go up for everybody. so anything you do, any reasonable deal congress reaches, it will be a big tax cut. but the other thing about the f
the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. and needs to stop. >> i just have to repeat, congress, you are terrible at your jobs. i really don't like working with you. we're going to talk a bit later in the show about everybody hates congress and what we can do about that. but as much as the public hates congress, you really get the feeling that congress' approval rating among president obama is in the neighborhood of negative 75,000 percent....
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obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own proposal. mr. president, the house, we hear this so often, is controlled by the republicans, and we acknowledge that. i would be most happy to move forward on something that senator mcconnell said they wouldn't filibuster over here that they would support and boehner would support it if it were reasonable, but right now we haven't heard anything. i don't know, and it's none of my business, i guess, although i am very curious, if the speaker and the majority leader, the republican leader over here are even talking. what's going on here? mr. president, you can't
obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election, he campaigned on this issue. again, the speaker can't take yes for an answer. the president has presented to him something that would prevent us from going over the cliff. it was in response to something the speaker gave to the president himself, but, again i guess with the dysfunctional republican caucus in the house, even the speaker can't tell what they're going to do because he backed off of even his own...
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tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the threat to the economy is not a reasonable way to govern. >> mike, how -- again, not to oversimplify this thing, but how did we get here? i think most folks following this fairly closely assumed that as is the case with a lot of things in washington, d.c. that at the 11th hour withere will ba deal that gets done. there are a lot of folks involved in the deal making saying, it won't happen this time. >> well, look. i think ari is right in one real respect which is they set this up, you know, more than a year ago as a way of trying to provide counter pressure to the political pressures that ex
tell them we're strong, the white house, we were re-elected. you go home. you go home and deal with it because this is out of control and nobody's angry enough to realize it. >> you're angry enough. >> i'm alone. >> no, you're not. >> michael shear's not angry. he's measured and i understand that and we're playing different roles sometimes but if you're a reporter and following this and following this for a year or two, some point you have to say this is insanity and the...
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americans elected president obama to lead, not to cast blame. the president's comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. the president, of course, saying he has offered concessions. he's offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. what am i missing here? because it seems like he's up against a wall. >> yeah, some of those cuts, though, are kind of already were on the table. there were cuts, for example, in defense spending, you know, because we're not at war anymore. we're not necessarily -- you know, those trillion dollars are a little bit suspect for a lot of republicans. and i think ultimately the president is sitting there very, i think, disingenuously, you know, touting what he was able to do when he left on the table, quite frankly, mika, the one thing that could have been the real solution, the real framework to avoid all this, which was simpson-bowles. i'd still get back to that reality that this president fa
americans elected president obama to lead, not to cast blame. the president's comments today are ironic, as a recurring theme of our negotiations was his unwillingness to agree to anything that would require him to stand up to his own party. the president, of course, saying he has offered concessions. he's offered over $1 trillion in additional spending cuts. what am i missing here? because it seems like he's up against a wall. >> yeah, some of those cuts, though, are kind of already were...
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but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when we talk about how to address that. he's got a right to be a damned fool. >> well, damned fool, he is, indeed. reverend marcia dyson, you were a maven of social media. social media has provided wonderful outlets for people to articulate their views, but it's obviously showed to america the true colors of what some people think and bigots with megaphones, so to speak. so when the president interrupted sunday night football to speak in newtown, connecticut, twitter went crazy and interrupted with all kinds of racial slurs. how do we as a society confront this sort of behavior? >> well, you know, i
but let's understand, we just had an election, and the president got re-elected for the second time. which says that a majority of the american people are not swayed nor influenced by that sort of sick and sadistic thinking. what i prefer to focus on is not simply that, but the underlying disparities, the previous segment on violence, and the need for jobs for young men of color and people of all colors, in urban communities. which is, i think, the more appropriate thing for us to discuss when...
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i won, these are the consequences of an election. so, he has not been operating in a deal-making mode, even though he stands before the cameras occasionally and says it. i think he has a better chance to work a deal through the stnt and back it in -- through the senate and back it in through the house. >> where have the republicans bent? they have not bent at all, the president has bent, he has reduced the amount of revenue he is asking for. he he want to cut taxes for small businesses and individuals. he has bent on medicare. so that is not accurate to describe it that way. the president has been there all along. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you so much. i enjoyed you guys with us. we usually like to have a few ladies with us, but that is okay. >> happy new year. >> to you as well. join us tomorrow, i will host the live coverage of a possible plan, a possible plan, to prevent the squauld fiscal cliff, i will have several lawmakers to talk about what is going on. and don't forget, a interview with the president on "meet t
i won, these are the consequences of an election. so, he has not been operating in a deal-making mode, even though he stands before the cameras occasionally and says it. i think he has a better chance to work a deal through the stnt and back it in -- through the senate and back it in through the house. >> where have the republicans bent? they have not bent at all, the president has bent, he has reduced the amount of revenue he is asking for. he he want to cut taxes for small businesses...
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problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on to this much credibility if we have any left at all and get this job done. >> there it is. rational and perhaps even rational exuberance like the market. congressman charlie rangel, thank you so much, my friend. >> thank you, doctor. >>> now let's turn to msnbc political analyst richard wolff, vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. my friend, there's more movement today than we've seen in a while, but is this just the optics? are they really trying to save face literally or is there something substantive in the offing here? >> more mov
problem when it comes to being re-elected speaker. as a politician you start dealing with re-election you're dealing with some very serious emotional problems. and i just hope that as we go home, we've been home for the holidays, we listen to the religious leaders, the people that are really dependent on social security and health care, if we listen to the people who put us in office and those who supported the president, we should be rational in coming back to the table and trying to hold on...
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that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year the accountability office comes out with a report details hundreds of billions in waste, fraud and duplicated services. let's start cutting first. let's make the government do what american citizens have to do when things get bad. we have to tighten our belts. why doesn't the government have to do the same thing? that would be the first thing to do. i'm willing to bet we could get enough cuts in there that we could get us down to a balanced budget within a fairly short time. >>> judson phillips, great to have you on this morning, sir. thanks for yo
that's what happens every election. if there had been a great groundswell of effort that we have to raise taxes, we have to implement this huge liberal big spending agenda john boehner would be minority leader and nancy pelosi would be speaker of the house again. >> if the tea party were in charge and you had your druthers, what would it be to get us over the fiscal cliff? >> first thing i would do is start going through the budget looking for places we can cut. >> every year...
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and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials this fall. in fact, according to the post, army thieves control momentarily of the group. and he brought a gun carrying aide to remove rivals within the organization. but within a week, army was out. freedom works arranged an $8 million pay page for him. $8 million. that is more than the organization's entire annual budget in some years. over in the house, several tea party allies were recently stripped of their committee assignments by speaker boehner. so there are some problems there at the top. an influential conservative is lashing out. >> the tea party is going of to look at itself. it's been so helpful to the repub
and now many insiders are saying the tea party is losing steam because of obama's re-election. the "new york times" made the front page with "clout diminished, tea party turns to narrower issues." and "the washington post" reports tea party stays on the sidelines as obamas, republicans in congress tackle fiscal cliff. the most visible former elected official in the tea party and, of course, chairman of freedom works tried to oust several freedom works officials...